The Top Five

Frank and Jonathan break down Marvel’s surprise decision to market Thunderbolts as The New Avengers and share a spoiler‑free then spoiler‑filled review of the film. They explore its focus on mental health, standout character arcs, and smaller‑scale storytelling that still packs emotional weight. The episode also features an in‑depth interview with producer Caitlin Delaney, who explains what a service producer really does, how to launch movies on tight budgets, and why mentorship shortens every filmmaker’s learning curve. The hosts wrap with the latest entertainment headlines and weekly streaming picks. Timestamps and Topics 00:00  Introduction and episode roadmap 00:19  Thunderbolts becomes The New Avengers marketing shift 02:39  Thirty‑second spoiler‑free first reactions 03:09  Themes of loneliness, identity, and reaching out 05:24  Character deep dive: Yelena, Red Guardian, US Agent 07:03  MCU tonal shift toward smaller budgets and bigger heart 10:35  Spoiler zone: Bob versus the void and inception‑style