Biggerpockets Money Podcast

Building a $2.5 million portfolio is hard. Spending it without running out? That's even harder. Welcome to the 700th episode of the BiggerPockets Money Podcast! To mark this milestone, hosts Mindy Jensen and Scott Trench are tackling one of the most critical—and most overlooked—aspects of financial independence: decumulation. Most people obsess over building wealth but stumble when it's time to actually spend it. The withdrawal strategy you choose can mean the difference between a comfortable 40-year retirement and running out of money at the worst possible time. In this episode, we cover: Sequential vs. blended vs. cyclical withdrawal strategies—which is right for you? How to create a tax-efficient drawdown plan that could save you hundreds of thousands The role of Roth accounts, traditional IRAs, and taxable brokerage accounts in your withdrawal strategy When to do Roth conversions and how to time them for maximum benefit Healthcare planning in early retirement and how it affe

Are you using the wrong retirement withdrawal strategy? Sequential drawdown—draining one account before touching the next—is the most common approach to early retirement, but it could be costing you tens of thousands in unnecessary taxes. In this episode of the BiggerPockets Money Podcast, hosts Mindy Jensen and Scott Trench sit down with Enrolled Agent Mark to break down tax-efficient withdrawal strategies that maximize your retirement savings. Discover blended drawdown strategies and cyclical drawdown methods that optimize which accounts you tap first—Traditional IRA, Roth IRA, taxable brokerage, HSA—to minimize your lifetime tax burden. This episode covers: Sequential vs. blended vs. cyclical retirement drawdown strategies How to optimize withdrawal order from retirement accounts (401k, IRA, Roth, taxable accounts) Tax-efficient retirement planning for early retirees and FIRE followers How to leverage today's historically low tax rates before they expire Healthcare costs in e

What would you do differently if you could start your FIRE journey over today? Back in 2013, Scott was fresh out of college house hacking his way to financial independence, while Mindy and her husband were deep into their FIRE journey documenting it all on their blog. Fast forward to 2025—both are financially independent, but if they were starting from scratch today, they'd make some serious changes. Welcome to the BiggerPockets Money Podcast! In this episode, Scott and Mindy reveal what they'd do differently starting their FI journey in 2025. The fundamentals still work—frugality, saving, investing—but the tactical strategies? Those have evolved dramatically. In this episode, we cover: The real estate strategies Scott would prioritize in today's market Stock investments and portfolio allocation for 2025 How AI and technology are reshaping the path to FI The biggest regrets—including times they wish they'd spent MORE What still works from 2013 vs. what's completely outdated Lifestyle cha

What happens after you achieve financial independence? Former Facebook employee turned comedian Paul Ollinger discovered the answer wasn't what he expected—and it completely changed how he thinks about money, work, and happiness. This Episode Covers: Why financial autonomy beats wealth accumulation—and what that actually means for your daily life The psychological challenges of early retirement nobody talks about (and why having a plan is non-negotiable) How he navigated major financial decisions in high-cost cities like New York without sacrificing his goals The truth about happiness and wealth—does more money actually make you happier? How to prepare for life's unexpected curveballs that can derail even the best financial plans And SO much more! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Will 2026 healthcare costs destroy your FIRE plan? Enhanced ACA tax credits expire in 2026—meaning health insurance premiums could DOUBLE or TRIPLE overnight. This healthcare subsidy cliff threatens millions who depend on affordable marketplace coverage. In this episode of the BiggerPockets Money podcast, Mindy Jensen and Scott Trench interview Matt McGough from KFF to break down the 2026 healthcare crisis and what you can do NOW to protect your early retirement. This Episode Covers: Who gets hit hardest by 2026 healthcare premium increases Exact cost projections for early retirement health insurance in 2026 Actionable strategies to prepare NOW for rising healthcare costs Which FIRE strategies still work after ACA subsidy changes Affordable health insurance alternatives for early retirees History of ACA subsidies and why they're expiring Steps to protect your financial independence from the healthcare affordability crisis And SO much more! Learn more about your

Think you need a six-figure salary to retire early? Think again. Middle school teacher Andrew Luman is achieving financial independence and retiring at 50—all on a teacher's salary. In this episode of the BiggerPockets Money podcast, hosts Mindy Jensen and Scott Trench unpack Andrew's complete FIRE strategy, proving that early retirement isn't reserved for high earners. In this episode, you'll learn: How Andrew discovered the FIRE movement and started his financial independence journey Building wealth on $35,000 a year: Andrew's early budgeting strategies The power of a high savings rate and how to achieve it on a modest income House hacking explained: How Andrew used a multi-unit property to eliminate housing costs Real estate investing for teachers and average income earners Portfolio breakdown: Andrew's asset allocation and investment strategy for early retirement The four-day work week advantage and how it accelerated his path to FIRE Choosing time over mone

Time's running out on 2025, and there are critical financial moves you need to make before December 31st. In this episode of the BiggerPockets Money podcast, Mindy and Scott walk you through the essential year-end tasks that could save you thousands of dollars and keep your FIRE goals on track. These aren't just suggestions—they're time-sensitive opportunities that literally disappear when the calendar flips to January 1st. Whether you're aggressively pursuing financial independence or simply want to optimize your money, ignoring these year-end deadlines could cost you big. The good news? Most of these tasks take less than an hour to complete, and the payoff can be substantial. In this episode, you'll discover: How to maximize your tax-advantaged retirement accounts before contribution deadlines Why you need to spend every dollar in your FSA or lose it forever Tax-loss harvesting strategies to offset gains and reduce your tax bill Strategic charitable giving tactics that benefit both you and yo

Pay off your mortgage or invest? If you're pursuing FIRE, you've wrestled with this question. A paid-off house means thousands extra in your pocket each month and a lower FIRE number. But investing that same money could build significantly more wealth and get you to FIRE with a bigger nest egg. So which strategy wins? To help you decide, Scott built a brand-new mortgage calculator that accounts for interest rates, investment returns, and taxes. He and Mindy use it to analyze real-world scenarios—high mortgage balances, different life stages, various risk tolerances—proving there's no one-size-fits-all answer. In this episode, you'll learn: Who should prioritize paying off their mortgage early The hidden pros and cons of each strategy Why your timeline to FIRE changes everything How to use Scott's calculator for your specific situation Different paths for those retiring soon versus decades away Whether you want maximum wealth for a luxurious retirement or just want to quit yo

Most people think index funds are the only path to financial independence—and they'll get you there in 15-20 years. But what if you could get there faster? In this episode, Mindy Jensen and Scott Trench team up with John Bowens from Equity Trust to reveal advanced portfolio strategies that can accelerate your FIRE timeline. This episode covers: Strategic allocation across your Roth IRA, HSA, and 401(k) to maximize tax advantages How to hold alternative investments like real estate, private equity, and crypto inside tax-advantaged accounts Tax loss harvesting strategies that can save you thousands Managing physical gold within retirement accounts Balancing aggressive and conservative investments for optimal growth Advanced tactics for tax-efficient portfolio optimization Whether you're building wealth aggressively or protecting what you've already built, this episode gives you the roadmap to optimize every account for maximum tax efficiency and long-term growth. A

Paul has a $1.6 million net worth at 40 years old—impressive by any standard—but he's stuck wondering: Can I retire in the next 5-6 years? In this episode of BiggerPockets Money, Paul shares his journey from debt payoff to building substantial rental income during COVID-19. Now he's sitting on significant equity, strong cash flow, and a critical question: What's the fastest route to FIRE? Hosts Mindy Jensen and Scott Trench dive deep into Paul's complete financial picture—his income, expenses, real estate portfolio, and debt—to map out his optimal path to early retirement. Should he pay down mortgages? Buy more properties? Pivot to index funds? They explore every angle to help Paul retire by 45-46. This episode covers: Paul's complete financial breakdown: income, expenses, assets, and liabilities How Paul pivoted to real estate investing during COVID-19 and built rental income The mortgage payoff vs. investing debate for someone close to FIRE Whether Paul should buy more rental properti

You're doing everything right—buying a house, maxing out your 401(k), investing in real estate—but what if these "smart" money moves are actually trapping you in your job? It's the paradox plaguing the FIRE community: you could be a millionaire on paper but can't afford to retire because all your wealth is locked up. Welcome to the BiggerPockets Money podcast! In this episode learn what the middle class “trap” is, why it happens, and most importantly, how to escape it. Scott and Mindy use the example of 'Sam,' a diligent saver, to explain the practical strategies for achieving financial independence, whether through Coast FIRE, Roth conversion ladders, 72(t) distributions, or more aggressive frugality and saving. They also address both the critiques and supporters of this notion, providing actionable advice for anyone feeling financially stuck despite their best efforts. 00:00 Are You in the Middle Class Trap? 00:30 What is the Middle Class Trap? 00:57 The “Ideal” Retirement Portfolio 05:12 The Controver

One rental property changed everything. Deandra was drowning—working multiple jobs, crushed by student debt, teaching full-time with no end in sight. Then she bought her first property with just $4,000, and within four years, she walked away from teaching forever. Today, Deandra reveals the exact strategy she used to go from broke teacher to financially independent real estate investor. You'll hear how she leveraged house hacking to buy her first two-bedroom townhouse, scaled into multi-family properties, and discovered an overlooked rental strategy that produces killer returns while most investors ignore it. The best part? She's proof you don't need a massive down payment or a high income to start. If you've been waiting for the "perfect time" to invest in real estate, this episode will show you how to take action with whatever you have right now. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The wealthiest 1% invest completely differently than you've been taught—and they definitely don't follow the advice most financial advisors give. In this episode of BiggerPockets Money, hosts Mindy Jensen and Scott Trench sit down with Tad Fallows, co-founder of Long Angle, to reveal the real investment strategies of high-net-worth individuals and how they differ from the FIRE community's approach. This Episode Covers: The most common paths to joining the 1% (entrepreneurship, tech executive roles, and high-conviction investments) Why the ultra-wealthy favor index funds, private equity, and real estate over traditional investments Why high-net-worth individuals largely avoid financial advisors and bonds How Tad went from consulting to founding a successful medical research software company to co-founding Long Angle Key differences between how the 1% manage their portfolios versus mainstream investment advice What the FIRE community can learn from the investment strategies o

Should you pay off all your debt before investing? Or is that costing you years of financial freedom? In this episode, we're tackling the debate that divides the FIRE community: aggressive debt payoff versus strategic debt management. We break down two real case studies to show you exactly when to prioritize debt payoff and when to invest alongside debt. You'll discover: The interest rate threshold where investing beats debt payoff (and why it matters) Student loan strategies that most people get completely wrong How to calculate whether you should pay off debt or invest  Two detailed case studies with specific recommendations you can apply to your situation This isn't about telling you debt is good or bad—it's about giving you the framework to make the right decision for YOUR financial situation. Whether you're drowning in debt or debt-free and wondering if you made the right call, this episode will change how you think about the relationship between debt and building wealth. Lear

Ericka Young did what most people think is impossible—she went from 90k in debt to Coast FI with a seven-figure net worth. In this episode of the BiggerPockets Money podcast, she's pulling back the curtain on how she did it. What You'll Learn: How to eliminate massive debt without living in total deprivation The debt snowball method in action (and why it works psychologically) When to stop paying off debt and start investing aggressively Investment strategies that built $2.5 million in net worth The mindset shift from "getting by" to building real wealth Perfect for: Anyone in debt who wants a realistic path to financial independence, or for people looking to accelerate their wealth-building timeline. Ericka's a financial coach who's been exactly where you are. Her story is proof that financial freedom isn't reserved for high earners—it's about strategy, discipline, and knowing when to shift gears. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Is the FIRE movement dead? In 2025, more people are catching on to the huge downsides of pursuing financial independence, retire early. Strict frugality, massive sacrifice, working harder than ever…is it really worth it to retire decades before everyone else? If you’re internally screaming, “Yes! Of course it is!” you’re in good company. Today, we’re talking about why FIRE is NOT dead in 2025 but why most Americans won’t achieve it. It’s easy to claim that the FIRE movement is dead in 2025 when inflation has been high, savings rates are low, and there’s economic uncertainty all around. The problem? Almost all of that can be easily factored into your FIRE plan, and with some sacrifices, you could easily retire early in five, ten, or fifteen years. So, if FIRE is still possible, what must the average person do to achieve it? We’ll discuss the mindset shift you must undergo to reach financial independence, the sacrifices you must prepare for, and what we would have done differently on our own paths to FIRE. Ac

In this BiggerPockets Money episode, we break down the all-out approach to reaching Financial Independence and Retiring Early in your 30s. No tech salary required, no inheritance, no luck. Just aggressive saving, smart investing, and a willingness to optimize every dollar. We'll cover:  The exact savings rate you need to hit FIRE in your 30’s  How to maximize income without changing careers  Where to cut expenses without feeling deprived Investment strategies that accelerate your timeline The lifestyle trade-offs that actually matter  Real numbers: What it takes to build a $500K-$750K portfolio on $50K-$70K/year Whether you're just starting your FI journey or you're years in and wondering if you're on track, this episode gives you the honest roadmap to early retirement—no matter your starting salary. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode of the BiggerPockets Money Podcast, hosts Mindy Jensen and Scott Trench tackle two pivotal financial decisions with their guest, Kristel. Has she already achieved Coast FI without realizing it? And should she keep her current house or sell it to accelerate her path to financial independence?  Kristel opens up about her journey from a frugal upbringing to building an impressive $1.32 million net worth. Mindy and Scott dig deep into her numbers—dissecting her assets, income streams, and monthly expenses—to give Kristel options for her ideal FIRE life. From house hacking opportunities to smart investment moves and strategic part-time work, this episode delivers actionable insights for anyone navigating their own FI journey. This Episode Covers: How Kristel built $1.32M Her current income, expenses, and savings rate Her financial independence goals and timeline House hacking opportunities to reduce housing costs Investment strategy options for her portfolio

Let's talk about the average net worth by every age, and how to make sure you save and invest enough money to stay on track. In this episode of the BiggerPockets Money podcast, Mindy Jensen and Scott Trench break down actual data to reveal the net worth benchmarks for the median, top 10%, top 5%, and top 1% of every age. If that isn’t enough they then highlight specific strategies that work at each age to hit those benchmarks—from aggressive wealth-building tactics in your 20s and 30s to business ownership and real estate scaling in your 40s, to preservation strategies in your 50s and 60s. Whether you're behind and need to catch up or ahead and want to optimize, this episode gives you the roadmap for your decade so you can hit your financial independence goals. 00:00 Net Worth by Age - Are You on Track? 01:09 Defining Net Worth and FIRE Portfolio 02:44 Analyzing Net Worth by Age 03:58 Key Takeaways from Net Worth Data 12:03 How to Be in The Top 1-10% in Your 20s 16:17 How to Be in The Top 1-10% in Your 30s

Should you sell your house right now or turn it into a rental property? In this episode of the BiggerPockets Money podcast, hosts Mindy Jensen and Scott Trench dive deep into one of the biggest financial decisions you'll ever make with their guest Sean. He is sitting on serious equity but isn't sure what his next move should be. We break down his entire financial situation using a custom spreadsheet model that analyzes net worth, mortgage rates, rental income potential, cash flow projections, and long-term wealth building strategies. This isn't just theory—we're crunching real numbers to show you exactly how to think through this decision. We examine market conditions, tax implications, opportunity costs, and the hidden expenses most people forget when they become landlords. Whether you're dealing with a primary residence, investment property, or house hack situation, this episode gives you a replicable decision-making process you can use for your own real estate choices. By the end of this episode, you'll