Biggerpockets Money Podcast

Katie Gatti Tassin from Money with Katie had her “financial awakening” earlier than most. She saw the middle-class wealth trap of working, spending, and repeating for what it really was. This cash-gobbling cycle is one that many Americans fall into, but once you see the light, it’s hard not to almost automatically do better. And that’s what Katie did, trading twenty-dollar daily lunches and “hot girl expenses” for more saving, investing, and skyrocketing net worth. Through a few short years of self-education, Katie was able to more than double her income, build profitable side businesses, and have a master-like grip on her finances. She’s become an expert in retirement investing, passive income, and saving simply through reading blog posts, listening to podcasts, and starting something of her own. This, coming from someone who just a few years ago had less than $500 to their name. Katie walks through what spurred her “financial awakening” and how sharing the same thought process could activate your own. She a

Over the past two years, short-term rental investing has become a financial lifeline for those that are trying to make extra income. A small one or two-bedroom basement, garage apartment, or mother-in-law suite brings in enough cash flow for many to pay off a sizable amount of their mortgage. One such investor is Allen, who turned his low-interest rate primary residence into a lucrative short-term rental in the Portland, Maine area. Allen is a vacation rental house hacker, leasing his garage apartment at a nightly rate for those visiting the area. Thanks to local laws, he’s unable to increase his nightly rates, but the silver lining means Allen has an almost fully-occupied, revenue-producing rental most of the time. He wants to build his short-term rental empire to even greater heights, but after looking at the math, Scott and Mindy aren’t so convinced that this is the right move. With six figures in student debt and a moderate credit score weighing him down, Allen may be in a better position to do something

Everyone knows that real estate agent commissions are hefty. Those who have sold a house in the past few years may look at their settlement agreement and wonder where those tens of thousands of dollars really went. It’s not hard for a new agent in today’s world to lock in six-figures worth of real estate commissions within their first few years. But, not many agents, even uber-experienced ones, have been able to hit what Pat Hiban has. Pat was one of the first “billion-dollar” real estate agents. Unfortunately, the “billion dollars” doesn’t refer to commission checks, but it does refer to real estate sales as a whole. This is doubly impressive when you factor in the decades when this was achieved. Pat sold homes in the 80s, 90s, and 2000s when home prices were far less than they are today. So, you could consider Pat an inflation-adjusted “trillion dollar” real estate agent! But how did Pat, a sociology major without any connection to real estate, reach such heights within a few short years? And, a more import

Student loan debt—the gift that keeps on giving with interest, stress, and the overwhelming feeling that you won’t be able to pay them off. The larger the loan, the heavier the weight on your shoulders, but in today’s episode, we go over how to start lightening your load. Focusing solely on your debt makes it seem like there's no way out, but financial freedom is always achievable.  Today’s guests, James and Bianca, have $278,000 of student debt between them. This debt has followed them for a while, and their original payoff plan would last for another twenty-four years. Despite their debt, James and Bianca have a strong financial portfolio with ten cash-flowing rental units. They make over $17,000 a month with only $7,300 in expenses. Even with a strong financial foundation, these student loans have loomed over them and kept them from true financial freedom.  Scott and Mindy introduce James and Bianca to ways they could pay off their debt in the next few years and completely shift their mindset on defeating

College isn’t the only option after high school. In fact, it’s not even the best option. Typically, twenty-two-year-olds fresh out of college are launched into the workforce with a lot of debt and little life experience. So how do you enter the workforce debt-free with life experience? Join the military. Today’s guest, David Pere, is a financially free veteran with 100 rental units, all thanks to his time in the military. He enlisted fresh out of high school in 2008. While he did the usual “stupid young guy stuff” for a few years, once he read Rich Dad Poor Dad in 2015, he decided to get serious about financial freedom. After thirteen years of active duty, in 2021 he was honorably discharged with a net worth of a million dollars. The military offers various benefits, from the ability to learn trades to getting life experience to its financial advantages. As a service member, you are in an ideal position to become financially free. Your housing and food get paid for, and you have access to government-backed sa

Becoming a millionaire by 30 is almost every 20-or-something-year-old’s dream. But what if you want to go even further? Instead of seven-figure net worth, what about an eight-figure net worth? Would this be enough to make your wildest dreams come true, or is planning for ultra-wealthy status a wasted pursuit, as most people could easily retire earlywith just a few million? The question we’re trying to ask is, how much is enough? It’s not Scott and Mindy asking this question, it’s today’s guest, Travis. You could call Travis an overachiever, although he doesn’t have the ego to fit that title. Travis has built close to a million dollars in net worth, with $10,000 of monthly passive income in just four years. He’s done this while working a full-time job and spending just $2,000 a month. If we could give a “You Did It, You Won the Money Show!” award, Travis would be first in line. But Travis is struggling to get his goals aligned with his portfolio. He set a lofty eight-figure goal for retirement, but with his ro

What do timing the market and a circle have in common? There’s no point, literally and figuratively. Some people would like to have you think they’ve cracked the code and there’s some secret formula. There’s not. They may have been able to “time the market” once or twice, but they probably can’t repeat it multiple times. Being correct for the wrong reasons isn’t repeatable, and with the market being so arbitrary, timing it correctly for the right reasons is unlikely. Despite this, there’s still a way to have enormous success while realizing great returns in the stock market, and today’s guest, Jesse Cramer, explains that. In Jesse’s article, The Near-Zero Benefit from Timing the Market, he tells the story of three investors. All three investors have different experiences “timing” the market, and while they all have different outcomes, it’s not the outcome you’d expect. While you can’t time the market, time in the market can be just as lucrative. If you let your money compound interest over time, you’d be surp

If someone told you that financial freedom could be achieved by traveling the world, you probably wouldn’t believe them. How can going on a work vacation to Europe make you richer? Surprisingly, doing this can help cut years off your retirement horizon, allowing you to save more, spend less, and invest for your future faster than ever before. Don’t believe it’s possible? Scott and Mindy prove the profits behind doing so in this Finance Friday episode! Today we’re talking to James, who is inches away from retirement. He has only a few years left before he can sail off into the sunset, but James wants to know how he can reach his goals even faster. He keeps his spending low, continuously invests, and has a remote work position, allowing him to work wherever he wants. He dreams of living in other areas of the United States but wants to ensure he has enough money to do so. His highest monthly cost? Housing! Like most Americans, a majority of James’ spending is for the roof over his head, but could geographic arbi

In the early retirement movement, becoming a millionaire is a crucial part of the financial path. While everyone has different spending habits, the first million will allow you to start pivoting so you can make choices for your enjoyment, not just for the sake of money. But when is it too late to start making these moves? Is there a certain point where early retirement, or retirement at all, is off the table? If you think so, listen to today’s episode with Courtney Robinson. Courtney was raised frugal, and unlike most, she never strayed off that path. Buying old cars, eating at home, and seeing matinee movies were the norm for her, but this began to get harder and harder as her family grew. Courtney was raising four children on her own, making only $15,000 per year, with multiple debts to pay off. But now, only ten years later, she’s a millionaire with equity, retirement investments, a large cash reserve, and multiple rental properties. How did she make the switch in the “late period” of her life? Courtney go

Having shared finances, for most couples, is an automatic thing to do once married or after being together for many years. It seems natural to want to combine income, expenses, and investments all in one big pot. This was the norm for most couples over the past hundred years, but as technology has made individual accounts more defined, some couples are finding freedom in keeping their finances separate from their relationship. We thought we’d put this theory to the test by having Doug Cunnington and Carl Jensen, hosts of the Mile High FI podcast, on the show. Doug and his wife have separate finances, Carl (Mindy’s husband) has completely combined their cash flow, and David Pere (our trusted military millionaire) has walked the tightrope between combined and separate finances with his wife. But which couple is fairing the best? Unfortunately, we will not be having a couple vs. couple cage match?—but we will discuss the pros and cons of each strategy. Carl, David, and Doug all bring up interesting, and often em

How would a six-figure side hustle change your financial picture? Think of the possibilities—being able to travel, becoming debt-free, or even buying your dream home. For most Americans, income is capped at what you make through a salary. There isn’t enough time, creativity, or energy left at the end of the day to make more. But, one specific subset of employees does have an upper hand that most people overlook—teachers. With a sizable summer break, teachers can make more than many others, even with their median incomes. Someone who took full advantage of this lucrative scheduling was Skyler. Skyler was raised in a very frugal household, resorting to food stamps and government subsidies at times. But Skyler was poised to turn a hard past into hard assets and later, financial freedom. He used financial aid to heavily discount his college tuition, rent-hacked (sometimes for free) into his mid-twenties, and thought of every decision as a return on investment. As he slowly whittled down the debt he had accumulate

You’ve heard of money hacks before, but probably not like this. For the teenagers and parents of teenagers listening, this episode will give you everything you need to make yourself, or your child, financially successful, straight out of high school. Most parents think that a strong financial foundation is built through allowances, debit cards, and making their child get an after-school job. While none of that is bad advice, it doesn’t leave the teenager with a sense of financial security or knowledge of how to manage money. Thankfully, the Sheek Freak himself, Dan Sheeks, is back on the show to give his “ultimate teen money hack for parents.” This strategy has been built through years of teaching children how to manage and make money and is one of the easiest ways to get teens on the correct financial path. This isn’t an overcomplicated strategy, but it will take some buy-in from your teen. What they’ll get out of it is far more independence, responsibility, and the ability to save and invest for a better fu

Wealth-building isn’t a pre-formulated path for most people. For those raised in poverty, the thought of financial stability seems like a far-out dream. Achieving financial independence or early retirement basically becomes an afterthought, or a fantasy only someone else could achieve. Without basic financial literacy and education, you could spend life aimlessly wandering without saving, investing, or thinking about a more promising financial future. But Amanda “She Wolfe of Wall Street” Wolfe did the opposite of that. Amanda was raised in extreme poverty, going long stretches of time without food, clean clothes, a shower, or school supplies. From a young age, she knew that most of her problems stemmed from a lack of money. The best way to solve that? Go to school, work hard, and make more money, so she could never feel poor again. But, when Amanda started bringing in a full-time income, her so-called “savings plan” went out the window. Set on not making the same mistakes as her parents, she revamped and rev

For average investors, private money lending has been mentally squared away as “something mega-wealthy people do.” Most investors will write off lending money because they think they lack the experience or funds to do a successful deal. But what if we told you private money lending requires less money than you thought, that it’s almost completely passive, and that today’s high-interest-rate environment may be the perfect time to start? Alex Breshears and Beth Johnson are graciously coming in as our private money messiahs, teaching us all how easy (and lucrative) it is to be a private money lender. They’ve been lending for years, not only to supplement their real estate portfolios but often to outright replace them. Private money is far more passive and flexible than performing a flip or BRRRR yourself, and almost anyone (and yes, we mean anyone) can do it in one way or another. It’s such a good way to make more money that Alex and Beth wrote the new BiggerPockets book, Lend to Live, on this exact subject. But

A stock market crash looks like bad news. The world is ending and everything is down. There won’t be any more profits to take…until the stock market gets back on track, which it always does. We’re not kidding—take a look at the past hundred years of total stock market performance and you’ll see something not-so-shocking. The stock market always finds a way to head back up, even after massive crashes like the great depression and great recession. You don't need to trust David and Mindy on this, instead, trust a stock investing expert like Brian Feroldi. Brian wrote the book on why the stock market always goes up, appropriately titled, Why Does The Stock Market Go Up?: Everything You Should Have Been Taught About Investing In School, But Weren't. Brian uses this book to educate, inform, and enhance investors’ abilities to invest without stress, headache, or anxiety about future prices. In this episode, Brian demystifies the calculations behind investing in the stock market. From price to earnings ratios to comp

The path to financial freedom is different for everyone. Some invest in stocks, others flip houses, but one couple breeds rats, trains horses, and buys rentals in cash. Before you get squeamish, this isn’t a show about flipping rats for profit. But, it is a show about horse training, unique investments, and how to ease off the gas when building wealth. Even if you’re far from your FI number, thinking about this concept will help you tremendously once you’ve retired. Alexis and Max have an interesting situation, and they aren’t your everyday workers. Both of them work out in the field, up against the elements, making some serious money to help train horses. Max was a self-taught trainer who built an impressive resume while only in his teenage years. He has a passion for finding, training, and flipping horses that will one day be champions. This is his life’s work and it’s allowed him to charge a pretty hefty price tag. But, the couple hasn’t just been investing in horses. They also have nine paid-off rental pr

Buying a business may sound out of your element. Stocks are one thing, and real estate is another, but what about buying businesses? Isn’t business buying something reserved for large companies, wealthy entrepreneurs, or seriously experienced store owners? Funnily enough, the business of buying businesses may be one of the most overlooked, yet most profitable ways to make more money, work less, and retire richer. Don’t believe us? Just listen to Tim Delaney. Tim did not take the standard wealth-building route. He was making just over $2,000 per year while working in the Peace Corps after college. From there, he was hired on by other non-profits when the opportunity to buy a business fell into his lap. It didn’t require a ton of money, but it did require some sweat equity and a fair amount of time. While he didn’t end up taking the first opportunity that came his way, he did end up buying a business shortly after. And if you like hops-laden libations as much as Mindy and Scott, you’ll love hearing about Tim’s

What is a millionaire? By definition, someone who has a million dollars or more in net worth. But what do you think of when we say “millionaire”? Are you picturing sports cars, expensive vacations, big houses? The reality is that most millionaires are people just like you and me, living in regular homes, still attending their jobs, and trying their hardest to budget. Being a millionaire doesn’t mean you’ve “made it,” but it does mean you’re on the fast track to building wealth. Gracie is a millionaire, but she doesn’t feel like it. When she discovered financial freedom, she set an impressive goal to hit millionaire status by the time she and her husband hit their mid-30s. They worked hard, were diligent savers, and ended up hitting that goal right on time, but it came with a lot less flexibility than they had hoped. While Gracie was able to quit her job, her husband wasn’t able to, and even as he brings in a great salary, the family still is close to breaking even every month on their budget. But Gracie isn’t

Coast FI is an interesting concept. Unfortunately, to much of Mindy’s surprise, “coast FI” doesn’t mean having enough money to live by the coast. But, just like living down by the beach, the coast FI lifestyle is far more enjoyable than most. We constantly hear from online personal finance bloggers about how you need to save as much as you can, eat at home every night, and never take a vacation. While this does allow you to hit financial independence faster, it makes the journey a highly stressful one at worst and a barely bearable one at best. What about a different way to reach financial independence? What about still eating out and taking trips, all while working to retire early? This is the path that Jessica from The Fioneers has chosen to take. She and her husband learned about the financial independence movement while they were making just $30,000 per year combined. As their income grew, so did their savings rate. But, Jessica realized that the stress of climbing the corporate ladder wasn’t worth it whe

Rental property cash flow is one of the most important metrics to calculate when analyzing real estate. Your cash flow not only helps you make a little extra money every month but also keeps your property afloat during months of heavy expenses or when large repairs need to take place. If you don’t do the correct cash flow calculations, you could find yourself with a cash-hemorrhaging property. This is why running (and re-running) your “true cash flow” number is so important. It’s also what Pam, today’s guest, might need to do to figure out which rentals to sell and which to keep in her portfolio. Pam owns nine rental properties, which is doubly impressive since she declared bankruptcy just a decade ago. She’s been able to rebuild a financial position that many would envy. And even though Pam and her husband make a great income, they’re struggling to figure out where it’s going every month. As six-figure earners, they’re barely breaking even on some months and overspending on others. Is Pam being too relaxed w