Biggerpockets Money Podcast

Stocks vs. real estate is a regular feud among many financially savvy forums on the internet. While some investors love the passive aspect of stocks, other investors love the tax savings and flexibility of real estate. Regardless of your preferred asset, it’s better to stick your hard-earned money in something that makes money for you, instead of spending it or letting it sit. Our guest today, Madison, is having trouble deciding which asset class she and her husband are best suited for. They have high-income jobs, a great net worth for their age, and just moved from the expensive San Francisco Bay Area to far more reasonable Texas. They’ll have a lot more money to stash away without the high rent, gas prices, or child care they had in California. But neither Madison nor her husband have plans to retire early, so should they even plan for early retirement? Scott and Mindy walk Madison through her multiple different investing options, along with giving her the structure to formulate a three, five, and ten-yea

If you need pension funds explained, there’s no better person to talk to than the internet’s leading voice on all things pensions and retirement, Grumpus Maximus. After spending twenty or so years in the military, Grumpus began to put his health, happiness, and passions first. Now, retired with plenty of money coming in (thanks to pensions and retirement accounts), Grumpus spends his time blogging and helping others ask the meaningful question, “is my pension worth it?” Guest co-host Joe Saul-Sehy from the Stacking Benjamins podcast is here to help Mindy tee up some pension-related questions for Grumpus. Whether or not you have a job offering a pension or you’re debating accepting a job with a pension, the research-based questions asked today will help you evaluate whether or not a pension is truly worth it.  You’ll hear about the safety of pensions, healthcare-impacted pensions, annuities, and Cost-of-Living Adjustments (COLA) so you can make the best possible decision regarding your (early) retirement pla

A common debate in real estate is cash flow vs. appreciation. While some investors rely on their rental property income to reach FI, others argue that appreciation will provide them the equity gain to truly build wealth. You’ll hear this discussion in-depth on today’s episode as guest Jackeline walks Mindy and Scott through her $20,000 rental property in Northern Illinois.  Jackeline is already doing well in other aspects of her life. She’s got a high net worth, with fully-funded retirement accounts and a big cash cushion, but she wants to reach FI by 45 so she has the option to retire. One of the best ways to do that? Cash flowing rentals! The only problem is that Jackeline is buying these rentals in a less-than-optimal area. With rentals in C or D-class neighborhoods, you can count on more tenant problems, repairs, and headaches. But, these downsides come with the big upside of higher cash flow. Scott and Mindy both help Jackeline balance the scales on what is most important to her: buying in an appreciat

We have a lot of impressive guests on the show, and they just seem to get younger with every new episode. You’ve heard the stories of people in their twenties buying rentals, people in their thirties hitting coast FI, and people in their forties and beyond making many, many millions. But, what about a marine recruit, making a low salary, buying more than $800k in real estate within his second decade on earth? Now that sounds like an interesting story. Jabbar Adesada fits the bill exactly! After moving in with his father, he was given strict instruction to read books like Rich Dad Poor Dad, I Will Teach You To Be Rich, and Automatic Millionaire. Jabbar decided to put down his NBA/med school dreams and open up a brokerage account. Lucky for him, right around the time he started investing was the 2020 stock market crash, giving him all the discount he needed to make his first profits. After running some “when will I be a millionaire?” scenarios, Jabbar realized that real estate, and not the stock market, was t

There are many ways to fund your nest egg. You could outright save, or you could invest in index funds, rental properties, or short-term rentals like today’s guest, Charlotte from Charlotte. Working as a teacher in one of the lowest-paid states in the US, Charlotte was able to fully replace her teacher’s salary by operating a single short-term rental cabin in Western North Carolina. When she discovered the FIRE Movement only a year ago, she knew that intelligent investments like this could fund the globetrotting adventures she and her husband had plans for. But, with her husband four years away from securing his government pension, Charlotte wants to be absolutely sure that her short-term rentals will be pulling the fiscal weight of word travel when he steps away from his job. Charlotte may be a rookie in the terms of real estate investing, but she’s far from it when it comes to taking actionable steps to ensure phenomenal returns. She’ll be hitting a 100% cash-on-cash return with her newest rental addition

If you’ve been in the FI community for years, you know the ins and outs of retirement planning, index fund investing, house hacking, and every other money-making opportunity around. But, it’s safe to say that this took you years to figure out, sometimes well into adulthood. What if you were given the same knowledge you have now, but when you were a teenager? Dan Sheeks is trying to do this exactly, by teaching his students about personal finance, saving, investing, and how they can plan for FI. Dan has taken his knowledge of finance, teaching, and working with teens to write First to a Million, a Teenager’s Guide to Achieving Financial Independence. In this book, Dan takes teens on a journey through the four mechanisms of financial independence and teaches them to plan money around what makes them happy. So many teenagers have seen their parents run off to work only to come home exhausted, constantly checking emails, and rarely present with the family. Dan wants to make this all-too-real future a thing of t

We’re back with another Finance Friday Follow-Up! This week, we talk to two past guests and review three life updates. Fabio from episode 174, Clayton from episode 168, and Rachael from episode 190 all have life updates for the audience! When we last talked to Fabio, he was starting to expand his real estate empire. Since the market has been so hot, he has had to pivot his strategy towards what works best for him in the long term. With a few years of military service left, Fabio wants to wind down his more active income and pursue more passive income streams, while still including real estate and stocks/index funds in the mix! Clayton shared with us on his solo episode how lucrative living on the road can be. Since then, his girlfriend has turned into his fiancé, he’s been offered a very large pay raise, and he has scaled his real estate portfolio with one more house hack. He also gets to take his foot off the literal gas pedal since he’ll be transitioning into a more stay-at-home role. Rachael wasn’t able

On the last day of a semester in college, Adam Zaleski’s geology professor dropped a bomb on his class: the professor was worth a staggering $10,000,000! The reason for telling the students about his net worth wasn’t to impress but to make the case that exponential growth is more likely than most people think. This taught Adam that he needed to choose a profession he enjoyed so he could continue to work, invest, and grow his wealth exponentially, just like his professor.  Adam did just that, and now, he’s a millionaire professor, working a casual thirty hours per week, doing what he loves! Adam knew from the beginning it was more important to make long-lasting, intelligent financial decisions, instead of chasing after a bigger salary. He did this right out of college, taking a serious pay cut to live in a state with far cheaper housing, allowing him to house hack, build wealth, and reach financial freedom. Now, Adam is looking to expand his real estate empire a little further, without having to sacrifice a

It takes a leap of faith to leave a W2 job and wander through the hills and valleys of self-employment. With the right skill set, time management, and perseverance, you can come out more profitable (and happier) than you were originally at your old job. But, once you succeed, it may be hard to slow down the self-employment train, and your side-gig could become a full-on business, with the need for employees. TJ has put herself in a phenomenal position, both financially and income-wise. She left her job to become a full-time consultant but knows she won’t be able to expand without hiring her first employee. Her business would need an employee to bring in more revenue, BUT she needs more revenue to bring on an employee. What would you do in this situation? Scott and Mindy have both spent time outsourcing and hiring before. They help TJ develop a roadmap to getting her first hire on board while keeping crucial revenue in the business. This episode also dives into self-employed health insurance, project managem

Is college worth it? For the first time in history, we may have a definitive answer to whether or not your specific degree and school choice provides a positive ROI. We know that ROI isn’t the only thing that matters when choosing a degree, but when looking at higher education through a financial independence lens, it’s definitely the highest value. Looking through census, employment, and Department of Education data is number crunching crusader, Preston Cooper. Preston and his team over at The Foundation for Research on Equal Opportunity put together the most extensive research on college degree ROI ever created. Preston’s findings allow you to parse through over 30,000 degrees and school choices so you (or your child) can make the best decision on where to get a bachelor's degree. Preston discusses the discrepancies between nonprofit and for-profit university degrees, whether or not high-cost schools equal a higher payday through life, and why even going to Harvard doesn’t secure a high ROI. Want to know

Everyone knows that tech salaries tend to be on the higher end. In tech, you could be working as an engineer, programmer, or statistician, like today’s guest Matthew. But, Matthew never planned to go to school for this type of work. Half a decade ago, Matthew was wearing a chef’s apron, working forty to sixty-hour weeks, making slightly above minimum wage. He loved the work (and the food) but realized he couldn’t keep living with the long hours, low wages, and high stress. Mathew went back to school to study statistics and landed a job in tech, which he’s just recently moved on from, and accepted a far higher salary. This all sounds like good news, so what exactly is Matthew having trouble with? After maxing out many of his retirement accounts, Matthew is wondering where else he should be putting his money. He’s already saving a significant amount every month, thanks to his frugal lifestyle, but wants to be sure he’s standing on a strong financial foundation. Should he look into rental properties, taxable b

You’ve heard the old statistic “nine out of ten businesses fail”, but why is that? If there are so many people willing to risk their livelihood to pursue a great idea, why do so many end up broke and back at a job? Gabe Nelson, certified financial planner and business advisor, has an idea. Gabe advises many business owners and solopreneurs through building their businesses with maximum cash flow and minimum time commitment. A couple of decades ago, Gabe was in the position many entrepreneurs are in today. He was working seven days a week, almost living at the office, doing anything he could to build his business. Once his daughter was born, he knew he had to take a step back from the seven-day workweek. Then, his second and third daughter were born, forcing him to automate, delegate, and eliminate every unnecessary task on his plate.  Now, with a thriving firm, Gabe knows what does (and doesn’t) work for solopreneurs, and the systems they need to implement now to secure a happy life tomorrow.  In This Ep

Your late 20s through early 30s can be a financially troubling part of life. You aren’t making the most money you ever will, but you’re tackling big expenses. A wedding, a down payment, and trying to max out retirement accounts can put you in a financial tizzy. But, it doesn’t have to be so complicated, especially if you stick to a scalable investment strategy. Today’s guest Louise is in this position. She recently changed employers and found herself with a big uptick in monthly income. She has plans on the horizon to marry her girlfriend but knows this will come at the cost of many thousands of dollars (rings, dresses, etc.) She’s also looking at buying a primary residence, but is already familiar with the home buying experience (she has two rentals!) Louise has a plan to hit FI (or at least coast FI) by age 40 and wants to know the best way to optimize her finances to do so.  Scott and Mindy have a healthy debate over 401ks, Roth IRAs, refinancing rental properties, and combining finances as partners, in

There are few people on this earth that can make Mindy laugh as much as Alex Felice. He’s been around the block with BiggerPockets a few times, appearing on episode 301 of the BiggerPockets Real Estate Podcast. Alex has a growing rental property portfolio, a flipping business, and is a professional photographer/videographer. But, beneath his success, was thirty-one years of financial struggle. Alex was taught financial skills growing up. The only problem: he didn’t listen to any of the advice he was given. He joined the Army without any skills, and as soon as he got out, he immediately bought a new car with a high monthly payment. He then was hit with a DUI, forcing him to really think what his life would turn out like unless he made a change. He needed cash flow but didn’t want to go out and get another job, so he settled on investing in real estate. It was important for Alex to have a “get rich slowly” type asset, one with stability that could take care of him well into retirement. Now, he’s amassed an im

“Should I cash out my 401k?” That’s a question you never want to ask in an online financial independence forum. It’s been a well-known rule to never cash out retirement accounts due to withdrawal penalties, tax implications, and the possibility of throwing away your retirement plans. But, what if you had a substantially larger amount in real estate and other assets, what would you think then? Kate is in this exact predicament and has done a phenomenal job at growing her wealth over the past decade. Kate and her husband have acquired $1.8 million in rental properties, bringing in gross rents of over $10,000 per month! She’s currently sitting on half a million dollars in rental property debt and is wondering whether cashing out her 401k to pay off the debt would make sense. Because Kate is in such a high cash flow position, she may be asking a question that’s not so obvious. Mindy and Scott spend time walking through calculations that allow Kate to visualize what her life would look like with paid-off rentals

Brad Finn was raised with a strong work ethic that follows him to this day. He always knew he should be working hard, and that’s exactly what he did. Brad worked throughout high school, college, and started multiple businesses in adulthood. While his work ethic was strong, his financial skills were lacking. When Brad went to college, he remembers using almost a third of his student loans on partying alone. Fast forward to his mid-thirties, Brad is waking up in a beautiful house, with two nice cars in the driveway, a great income, a new business, and a negative net worth. It wasn’t until Brad allowed himself to look at the true number behind his net worth that he realized something needed to change. Fortunately, his wife had been slowly, but surely, trying to tell Brad that they had to make that change. The day Brad’s first child was born, he and his wife were debt-free. This didn’t come easy, especially since they were facing close to $190,000 in debt. They tracked their spending and realized they spent clo

Retirement planning can be complicated when you have so many options to choose from. Do you stick with the Roth IRA, the 401k, the Roth 401k, your employee pension plan, or solely invest in stocks and real estate? With all these different types of accounts and their numerous benefits and drawbacks, it’s easy to get stuck financially stalling.  One person who has been able to optimize his retirement plans, is Matt, pilot and soon-to-be captain, delivering cargo around the United States. Matt bought a home in high-appreciation St. Petersburg Florida, where his home has already gained a fair amount of equity. Although he loves the ability to rent out his home and create cash flow, Matt doesn’t like staying on dry land for too long. He’s going to captain his own home; living in a houseboat and renting out his primary residence to lower his living costs even more. Matt talks through questions he has about his 401k, Roth 401k, Roth IRA, and other retirement accounts. Even though Matt feels he could be optimizing

If you’re part of the FI community, you’re probably a saver. Heck, if you’re listening to this podcast you’re probably a saver. While we all are busy optimizing our budget, reinvesting dividends, and contributing to our retirement accounts, do we ever take a step back and ask, “why are we saving so much?” Maybe you have a simplistic answer for this: your kids, your spouse, your “future”. When it comes time to finally reap the rewards of all that saving and investing, we struggle, and often fail to do so. Ramit Sethi, the author of I Will Teach You To Be Rich, has struggled with this in his personal life as well. When he got married, he and his wife spoke about what money meant to them, and they were shocked to have completely different answers. While Ramit loves setting up models and spreadsheets, he also encourages couples to speak about their finances through a shared vision. It isn’t “I’m saving this money so we can be happy”, it’s “WE are saving this money so we can take that camping trip we always dream

A few weeks ago, Mindy was asked by a listener of BiggerPockets Money, “when are you going to do a Finance Friday follow-up?” Well, listener, your wish has come true! Today we talk to three past guests of the BiggerPockets Money Show, Sarah from episodes 6 and 178, Brian from episode 180, and Erik from episode 170. In Sarah’s most recent episode, she spoke about having large safety reserves and sinking funds for her new property. Since being on the show, she’s taken time to evaluate how safe she really needs to feel. She’s taken a risk and has started to invest in her first short-term rental, as well as being on the house hunt for her next house-hack property! Brian had the question we all want to have, “what do I do with all this money?” Since coming on the show, he’s expanded his rental property portfolio, purchasing an off-market five-unit in upstate New York, and a short-term rental in North Carolina. He’s currently looking into syndications to see if that would be another great avenue for his wealth ac

Amber Porter has one of the most optimized retirement plans we’ve ever seen. Seriously, she could give Mindy and Scott a run for their money! Amber grew up in a neighborhood that was anything but rich. Surprisingly, the wealthier people in her neighborhood were more interested in purchasing nice cars instead of investing, which they told her was essentially gambling. Amber quickly saw past this idea and realized that smart, consistent investing could lead her to many millions of dollars. She worked throughout high school and was able to graduate in only three years. Then, she applied for every scholarship possible and did the same in college, graduating in three years and completely debt-free. Suddenly, the idea of law school came into her head. She studied, passed the entrance exam, and got into a top school. The same school even gave her a twenty-five thousand dollar scholarship every year she attended. After graduating, she started investing heavily, working as much as she could to fund retirement accoun