Biggerpockets Money Podcast

Marching along Bourbon Street last week was a parade with some of the best real estate investors in the world, celebrating another successful BPCon, ready to take on the world. Throughout the past week, attendees of the conference heard from world-class business leaders, investors, and authors, learning about everything from running a business to short-term rental markets, to self-storage, and more. On this live episode, your BiggerPockets Money host, Scott Trench, is joined by Brandon Turner and David Greene, hosts of the BiggerPockets Podcast, Ashley Kehr and Tony Robinson, hosts of the Real Estate Rookie Podcast, and Liz Faircloth and Andresa Guidelli, hosts of The Real Estate InvestHER Podcast, plus special guest Esther, who has a widely impressive portfolio herself. You’ll hear the hosts talk about topics like how to connect with fellow investors, future trends influencing the real estate market, what’s working today (and what isn’t), plus a live version of the Famous Four and Fire Round.  If you were

If you and your sweetheart want to get married, rent a truck in a Colorado ski town, and have your dog watched while you’re doing so, Stephanie Warner is the person you should get in touch with. Even though she has a great W2 job, she still hustles hard with her side income work, making enough to pay for her lifestyle while her nine-to-five pays for her future financial freedom. Stephanie had enough money growing up, but she wasn’t given a ton of financial literacy lessons from her parents. Thankfully, her Grandma who loved driving used cars and buying rental properties taught her the importance of being a homeowner and helping those who are in need. Once she left her hometown for college, graduated, and got a job, she moved all over the country doing all different sorts of work. This gave her a diversified education and allowed her to take on challenges that were interesting to her. Now, she shares with BiggerPockets Money listeners how she flipped her financial position, thanks to some very lucrative side

Over at BiggerPockets, we all have much love and respect for our trusted video editor, Joel Esparza. He brings phenomenal work quality, timing, and communication to every project he’s on, but many of us don’t know his inspiring and truly impressive backstory. Joel is originally from Venezuela, which has experienced rampant inflation over the past decade putting its citizens in economic turmoil. Joel went to school in Argentina and was able to leave without debt thanks to an inheritance left to him. When he migrated back to Venezuela, he was hired as a video editor for an agency making, get this, $20/month. Yes, that’s correct, we’re talking about $240 per YEAR.  This was not an uncommon salary for Venezuelans, but through sheer luck, Joel was introduced to some side business that began paying him two to three times the amount he would make in one month, in only two hours. Joel quickly jumped ship as an employee and began building his clientele as a self-employed editor. Now, as the head video editor at Bigg

It didn’t take Addison Freeman long to realize what worked in school, wouldn’t work in real life. Those who got good grades and followed the standard playbook weren’t rewarded as plentifully on the investing front as they were in the classroom. When Addison realized it would take her over thirty years to hit millionaire status on the conventional track, she knew she needed a change. Addison started to look for, as she likes to call them, “super assets” or assets that grow while putting cash in your hand. She started with a house hack duplex where she was able to pay her mortgage by renting out one side. Then, she started to get into self-storage investing, which is now her husband’s main job. Along the way they tried (and failed) at starting businesses, but never took their foot off the gas on their journey to financial independence. At the age of 26, Addison and her husband are financially independent, sitting on a net worth of over $700,000 with an almost guaranteed chance at being part of the millionaire

Strong frugality is hard to come by. Not many people would write off their solar system as a business expense and use bitcoin mining to provide heat to their house, instead of using a space heater. These are just two things that Yourri, an engineer and diversification whiz, has done to make his balance sheet as optimized as possible. Yourri has spent the better part of the last decade at school and was able to graduate with a phenomenal job doing something he loves. He makes $120,000 a year but has a big retirement goal of $7,000,000! While this may seem like a massive number to most, Yourri should be able to hit it with some regular investing due to his age and aggressiveness to invest. But, he’ll need to opt-out of an over-diversified investing strategy if he wants to reach this goal as fast as possible. Passion projects are also a big part of Yourri’s life, as he’d like to rebuild a vintage motorcycle, get his pilot license, and adopt as many dogs in need as he can. He has a calculated outlook on his fin

High-income earners have a better shot at retiring early than those making a median income.  That being said, with more money comes more investing risk. After the great recession, Bob Haines was sitting on a $300,000 loss from leveraging too many properties to flip. This put the possibility of retiring early multiple years behind. But, even with a money mistake as large as Bob’s, he’s been able to retire at age forty-four, a good twenty-one years before the standard retirement age. You could say that Bob’s early retirement sprung from his ability to take risks, leave jobs, and go where the money was. Bob went from making $40,000 a year at his first job to $500,000 less than a decade later. While a $500,000 salary was not the norm for Bob, these frequent career and company jumps allowed him to build up a massive cash position ($250k) and invest for retirement faster. Funnily enough, the first time Bob heard about the FI movement, he quickly calculated his FI number and realized he had already hit it. While h

A rock-solid financial position consists of a few things: budgeting, expense tracking, living below your means, and making extra income. Once those are accomplished, you’re on track to start investing heavily and financial independence is in sight. This is exactly the position Lynsey (mother to Mindy’s pool boy) is in. Lynsey and her husband bring in a moderate salary from his job and her businesses of jewelry making, relationship counseling, and their garage and basement house hack. For a long time, Lynsey assumed she would never be able to retire, but as her income has grown she’s realized that she not only can retire but retire early.  Lynsey has a few key ways she could increase her business revenue: outsourcing, marketing, and scaling. Her husband also has a strong suspicion he’s underpaid, meaning a boost in income could be one ask away for him. The couple also wants to invest in more short-term rentals or buy another house hack property. But, of all the options they’re presented with, which one will

Life can be challenging at times. When you think you’re in a stable spot, the universe tends to throw you one (or many) curveballs. In the realm of financial education, the smart early decisions we make can help alleviate the stress of these curveballs. This has happened almost to the tee for today’s guest, Karen Ferrero. Karen grew up in a small town to a middle-class family. She was a first-generation college graduate and worked throughout high school and college. She later took a job and began consulting in the tech world, which offered her a respectable salary. She got married and had two kids with her husband, but shortly after, her husband was paralyzed in a motorcycle accident. Not only that, her son was diagnosed with autism.  Now, Karen had to sell her house, find a new accessible one, take her son to therapy every day, and continue working her full-time job. This put her in a sizable debt hole, but through strategic debt payoff and intelligent investing, Karen has come out on top. She still has a

Kari and her wife made some big moves over the past few years. They packed up their stuff and left the San Francisco Bay Area for a relocation in the midwest. Unlike the Bay Area, the Midwest has many affordable housing options with plenty of chances to house hack. So, that’s exactly what the couple did! They bought a duplex in rough condition, put in close to $80,000 of renovations, and now get $900 a month from the side they’re renting out. Although this renovation allowed them to live for free, it put a $66,000 hole in their pockets, which they recently just paid off. Without much retirement savings or investments in general (save the house hack), Kari is wondering what she can do to maximize the extra $100,000 in after-tax income she and her wife bring in every year. Should she go the index funds route, buy another rental, or help her wife pursue her dreams by investing in a restaurant? Scott and Mindy give Kari a lot of ideas in this episode, many of which could help you as well! In This Episode We Co

Not everyone has the vagabond spirit of those who choose to optionally live out of their cars, trucks, or vans. While this isn’t up Scott and Mindy’s alley, it’s been perfectly fine for today’s guests Tien and Brandon. After deciding to end their lease before a road trip, Tien and Brandon found living in their specialty-built van wasn’t just habitable, but preferable for their lifestyle. This was especially true after paying pricey southern California rent. All this happened after making some impressive financial moves; paying off $50k of loans in eight months, flipping their first house, and buying a small portfolio of duplexes. Tien and Brandon have made a spree of financially intelligent moves, pushing themselves into a high net worth category, all while living in one of the most beautiful places on earth. As of March 2021, Tien and Brandon dismantled their truly remote lifestyle to settle into their first short-term rental house hack. They’ve been pulling in $8,000 a month (yes, a month) from their San

Retiring early can be a daunting task. Not only do you have to do more, with less time, but you have to stay diligent on your budgeting, expense tracking, and investing if you want to hit your goal by a certain age. Today we talk to Lisa, who wants to retire next year, in her mid-50s. While most people think early retirement means retiring in your 20s and 30s, this isn’t necessarily true. Retiring 10 years early, like Lisa, is a massive accomplishment, but requires the same skills needed for retiring decades earlier. Lisa has three pieces of property: a cash-flowing rental in pricey Boise, her primary residence in Washington, and a plot of land in North Idaho. She’s tinkered around with ideas of using her primary residence as a short-term rental, but unbeknownst to her is the fact that having a short-term rental could bankroll her retirement. She also has a sizable amount in retirement accounts, but none of those assets produce cash flow. Will Lisa be able to retire using the 4% rule with her retirement acc

Most college students know next to nothing about money. Even worse, many of them sign on to expensive student loans with almost no plan on how they’re going to pay it back. While this is the average, some people, like Nathan Kennedy, host of The New Money Podcast, did things differently. Although he overspent a bit going out in college, Nathan graduated with a degree and $40,000 in cash, a MASSIVE amount for any college student. Through applying for grants, working at on-campus jobs, and collecting tip money as a bartender, Nathan was able to graduate in a solid position, allowing him to invest heavily in the stock market during the 2020 crash. Now, Nathan teaches others how they can strengthen their financial position through hard work, planning, and constant content consumption. If you have children who are in high school, college, or are newly graduated, send them this episode so they can have a leg up on future finances!  In This Episode We Cover The importance of tracking your expenses and budgeting p

“Beware of little expenses; a small leak will sink a great ship.” This is the topic of today’s episode, where we interview Jenny for a Finance Friday review. Jenny is finishing up her fourth degree and has been working throughout grad school to help her family. Her husband brings in a sizable income, but he wants to retire in 2030 and spend more time with their (future) kids.  Jenny has great control over her fixed expenses, but as for her variable expenses...not so much. Her family is consistently teetering between $1,000 a month and $2,400 a month in variable expenses, many of which can be resolved with some simple shopping tweaks (like leaving your credit card at home when you go to the grocery store). Luckily, they’ve invested a fair amount of their take-home pay, have a stellar 401(k) match, and are about to have dual incomes once Jenny is out of school.  If you’re having trouble keeping a hold on your variable expenses, such as random Amazon shopping, tune in for this episode for advice on exactly wha

What do you think of when you think about retirement? Are you on a tropical island drinking fruity cocktails out of a coconut? If you dream about that sort of retirement, Steve Adcock may have some revealing words for you. Retirement isn’t just about doing nothing all day, it’s about exploring your passions, and sometimes working more than you did before, to accomplish things that truly matter to you. Steve decided to leave his high-stress IT job after 11 years of work. It was eating away at him every day, and it got to the point where just going into work became a grueling weight on his shoulders. He knew from a few years before potential retirement that he had a choice: lavishly live his life now or live frugally and have financial freedom forever. He chose the latter and doesn't regret it for one second. Now, Steve and his rocket scientist wife spend their time taking care of their completely self-reliant housing compound in Arizona. He has a lot more to accomplish, but for now, he’s enjoying his off-gri

Sometimes having a lot of cash can be dangerous. Would you rather be sitting on months (or even years) worth of emergency reserves or have your money be challenging inflation by sitting in investments like index funds or real estate? This is the question that many people have, and also one that today’s guest, Phil, is having as well. Phil and his wife live in a relatively low cost area and bring in a very solid income. They’ve been maxing out HSAs, 401(k)s, and other accounts all while having a significant amount of cash on the sidelines, just waiting for the right investment. While Phil wants to go into an unconventional type of real estate investing, both Scott and Mindy believe he should focus on the long-term goals he has set for himself and find asset classes that fit within his strategy.  In This Episode We Cover How much is too much of an emergency fund? Selling tradelines and the risks/rewards that come with it  Why investing in traditional-layout houses presents you with multiple exit strategies  S

A lot of people in the financial independence community successfully get out of debt, but not many of them get out of debt and then start a monthly six-figure side business. One person who has done that is Deacon Hayes. Deacon was raised by a single mother on welfare who taught Deacon that debt was a way of life. When Deacon married his wife, they both collectively realized that the only way for them to live the life they wanted to, was to get out of debt. Deacon did whatever he could to pay off his debt. He delivered pizzas and resold furniture, all while working full time. Once he was out of debt, he decided his passion was in teaching others how to get rid of their debt, so he became a financial planner and started his website, Well Kept Wallet. His story was so well received that he was brought on to record with Fox and tell their audience about his debt-free journey. Deacon left the financial planning world after realizing he didn’t want to just help the rich, but the average person who still struggled

Making too much money is a good problem to have, and it’s one that many people in the Bay Area experience. Today we talk to Laurin, a mother of two, making $281,000 a year when combining her salary with her husband’s. They’re doing everything right: paying off the mortgage, contributing to their 401(k)s, and saving up for an emergency reserve.  With all these investments and income, Laurin is wondering whether or not her investing strategy is optimized. Her mortgage spans 15 years, so she’s dedicating a large amount every month to pay off her house before she retires. While some people prefer the financial security of not having a mortgage, others (like Scott), prefer having a mortgage for longer while investing in other assets.  With the goal of enjoying her life more, Scott and Mindy bring up a handful of options that can help Laurin achieve a massive net worth by the time she is ready to retire. She could work less and contract more, she could refinance and invest for cash flow, she could look into real

Dee Olateru doesn’t have the traditional FI story, but it didn’t take her long to catch onto the concepts that now allow her to live a life exactly how she sees fit. Dee immigrated to the United States from Nigeria when she was sixteen. Without the ability to get student loans, Dee had to work throughout school, apply for every scholarship available, and borrow money from friends and family to pay for her undergrad degree. While she made it out of college without student debt, she still had some credit card debt that needed taking care of. She amassed $10,000+ in credit card debt to help her pay for necessities like groceries throughout her years in college. But now she had a business degree, so clearly, she went on to get a full-time job in her field, right? Actually, she didn’t. Dee graduated during the great recession and had to take a $10/hour job at a local factory.  Dee says that many people don’t believe her about the factory job because of the high-level position she’s in now, but it taught her many

Investments galore! This week, we talk to Jeana and Scott, a couple with a hefty amount of investments under their belt. We know what you’re thinking, “what type of stocks and real estate are they investing in?” This is where you might be surprised. Jeana and Scott are investing in three gyms, a gas and oil investment, a documentary, a 24-unit apartment building, a 52-unit apartment building, a senior care business, and...a $20,000 dog! Seriously! This is one of the most diversified couples we have ever had on the show! While it’s great to have investments spread out over multiple different asset classes, Scott and Mindy want to help the couple come up with a more systematized and formulaic approach to wealth building. Since they both have well-paying jobs, once they set up a “set it and forget it” type investment strategy, they won’t be too far away from reaching FI. If you’ve ever had an interest in running a memory care facility, dog breeding, or investment clubs, this will be a great episode to listen i

Darius Smith always knew how to make money, but wasn’t very good at saving it. Growing up, he had jobs ranging from delivering phone books, to running paper routes, to even putting up eviction notices on homes. He opened his first bank account when he was around nine years old! So how did Darius end up with almost $170,000 in debt? An even better question may be, how did Darius pay off all that debt in only a few years? Darius spent time at multiple different colleges, racking up $40,000 in student debt, then buying a Mustang, paying for a wedding, putting some charges on credit cards, and finally combining his wife’s debt with his. They started to use the “debt snowball” method, but after having to take out business loans, the debt grew even more. This is when Darius decided that he and his wife needed a plan to conquer their finances. They moved into a friend’s extra room for cheaper rent, stopped going out as much, began working more than one job, and siphoned all the money they could into savings and debt