We're Only Human

"One of the things that a lot of our industry struggled with was trying to regulate employees and not let them have their phone in their hand, but we actually encourage it. We ask them to help us do TikToks. Everybody gets involved. It really brings in a sense of camaraderie. We're not constantly saying, 'Get off your phone. Get off your phone. Get off your phone.' We're encouraging them: get on your phone, take the pictures, take the videos, promote the brand." Michele Corkins, Senior Manager, People Solutions, Hawaiian Bros Island Grill We're Only Human -- Episode 162 Think about this research stat: One out of every two frontline workers thinks they aren't treated equitably with corporate staff. In our 2022 Frontline Worker Study that covered thousands of frontline staff around the world, we found so many different insights that are helpful for understanding how to build an employee experience that supports, connects, and engages these critical employees. Today's podcast episode is a replay of a conversatio

"We have 1700 people at our company. That's 1700 different opinions, needs, journeys. So at Getty Images we create and we measure and we monitor engagement opportunities to strengthen a work culture where people belong and they can do their best work." Marie Potter, Senior Director, Culture & Development, Getty Images We're Only Human -- Episode 161   Defining the problem is a big step towards finding a solution. But what do you do when the problem or challenge is so broad and varied that it's hard to pinpoint what solution might work? That's the difficulty that arises daily for HR leaders looking at how to support the needs of every person in the workforce. In this episode of We're Only Human, Ben talks with Marie Potter from Getty Images about how she and her team are able to listen, identify, and support the needs of their workforce at scale.  Show Notes Connect with Marie on LinkedIn Thanks to Quantum Workplace for the connection/introduction to Marie Learn more about HR Summer School and check out the

"I was deleting 24 Google Calendar placeholders one day and manually copy/pasting new hire email addresses into the 17 ones we were going to keep. It was at least 30 minutes of hundreds of just mindless clicks. And I said, wait a minute. I'm gonna figure out how to do this [better]. So I looked at our Google Calendar integration, saw that I could both delete calendar events and add participants to calendar events. It worked so well. I took hundreds of clicks down to two clicks to complete those two actions, which is huge for me. And then I said, what else can I automate? So I just kept going from there."  Ashley Priebe Brown, Onboarding Manager, Zapier We're Only Human -- Episode 160 Onboarding is one of the most critical moments in the employee experience. The latest data from Lighthouse Research & Advisory shows that two out of three new hires know if they will stay at a company within the first week on the job. But that's not all. There are so many transactional, repetitive tasks that it's easy to get bogg

"If I had to put a bet on the future, where we're headed is about understanding potential future performance and what drives and drains people. I think that's really where I see TA going longer term. We've seen success around using some of that psychometric data to really upskill folks into engineers that wouldn't not necessarily have been on technical paths. So business analysts, old school project managers, and those technical analyst folks... Finding the ones that are really well suited to engineering thought and then upskilling them on the actual technology themselves." Travis Windling, Director Talent Acquisition Strategy & Insights, RBC We're Only Human -- Episode 159 Hiring has changed tremendously in recent years, and one thing is for certain: things haven't settled down yet. As Travis Windling believes, there are going to be big shifts in how employers understand and predict performance for both external and internal candidates. A big part of hiring well is predictability and quality, and unfortunate

"And speaking of changing expectations and what's socially acceptable, this challenge of ghosting is going through the roof, and I've got bad news for you. It's gonna get worse. When we look at the data on ghosting, we see that it's actually age correlated. So someone who is 25 is more likely than someone who's 35, who's more likely someone who's 45, and so on. So the people who are 55 years old and older in the workplace are the least likely to ghost an employer.  And guess what? They're gonna steadily age out. And the ones who are doing it the most are gonna continue aging into the workforce." Ben Eubanks, Chief Research Officer, Lighthouse Research & AdvisoryExcerpt from 2022 RPO Association Conference Keynote   We're Only Human -- Episode 158   In this rare solo episode, Ben shares a short portion of his 2022 keynote address at the Recruitment Process Outsourcing Association Annual Conference in Chicago, unveiling some brand new research on how employers value RPO relationships, what gaps exist, and mor

"It's a big differentiator. And I think the organizations that figure it out--the organizations that get it right--are the ones that are gonna be able to attract people. And I think organizations that don't are gonna have more of a struggle because that becomes more important as we think about just making conscious choices: how do we wanna spend our days? How do we wanna spend our working lives and what do we want to accomplish? Mike Trusty, VP of Talent and Learning, Fannie Mae We're Only Human -- Episode 157   Digital transformation isn't a new concept, but it's always interesting to hear how different employers approach the process, the challenge, and most importantly, the people side of the equation. In this episode of We're Only Human, Ben Eubanks interviews Mike Trusty from Fannie Mae about his perspective on the organization's transformation journey and what lessons it holds for other leaders on similar paths. Spoiler alert: Mike's big recommendation: hold off on the flash and focus on the substance. T

There's certainly the opportunity cost that comes with assigning someone from your learning team or frankly finding anybody to work on this if it's not gonna fix the problem. There's also the frustration that comes with that. I've experienced that personally and as a leader of learning professionals. It is really frustrating to spend your time and effort doing something that you think is not gonna work. Ben Sieke, Director of Talent Development and Learning, Delta Dental We're Only Human -- Episode 156 When training is the answer to a problem, it can improve performance, satisfaction, and results.  When it's not the answer, it just increases frustration, drives down motivation, and increases unnecessary costs.  In today's episode of We're Only Human, Ben talks with Ben Sieke from Delta Dental about when issues are training problems and when they aren't. More importantly, Sieke shares insights as a learning executive for how to adapt and respond to the situations in a positive, productive way. If you've ever b

 "So there's a massive amount of insights coming from this. We measure things like net promoter score -- we have an average NPS of around 73, which as we all know is pretty great. And a big one for me is that 41% of people we actually go on to hire actually have used the platform once or more than once. That's a really big figure to show this is actually supporting employees to apply with us and attracting them to us and being successful in getting a role with us." Lisa Brignall, Head of Talent Acquisition GB at Coca Cola Europacific Partners We're Only Human -- Episode 155 One of the things every company struggles with is sharing a realistic preview of the job with candidates. Job applicants expect recruiters and hiring managers to smooth over the rough edges, and it's tough to have a transparent and honest conversation. But Lisa Brignall and the team at Coca Cola Europacific Partners have found a way to solve for this. They actually give candidates access to employee Insiders that are empowered to talk abou

 "The joke is pilots get in the plane, they read their checklist, and they take off. They push the [autopilot] button and sit back and wait for the plane to land itself. But when something goes wrong, suddenly the pilot's got to take control. And then everybody's life's in that pilot's hands. I think autopilot turned off for compensation people 18 months ago." Bryan Briscoe, VP Global Compensation at Marriott International   We're Only Human -- Episode 154   There's not a company in existence that hasn't needed to take a fresh look at compensation in the last year. The general consensus? "Wages are up." But this conversation offers a deeper look for those that really want to dig into how compensation is changing. In today's episode, Ben chats with Bryan Briscoe of Marriott International about critical trends in compensation like pay transparency requirements, how crowdsourced pay data compares to traditional salary survey data, and the biggest lesson Bryan recommends that other HR and compensation leaders fol

We can talk about DEI and belonging in that space. We can talk about culture, but really those powerful impacts that can happen internally and externally are really dictated on the leadership. When I think of leadership, I believe leadership is an example of love, trust, and grace.  George Rogers, Chief Culture Officer, Lighthouse Research & Advisory We're Only Human -- Episode 153   There's no shortage of conversations today about DEI and the newest addition to that set of perspectives--belonging. But one of the challenges talent and DEI leaders have is making belonging more than just a buzzword or an empty phrase. To get real investment, support, and focus on this critical topic, they need a business case.  In today's episode, you'll hear from George Rogers, a new addition to the team at Lighthouse. George is going to be focusing his research on DEI, culture, leadership, performance, and engagement. In this conversation with Ben, George highlights some of the new research on belonging, such as how much it i

"Our main priorities right now are not unlike all people leaders. We're focused on hiring and we're focused on retention. On the hiring front, it's less about volume hiring. I think that everyone's slowing down just a little bit. With this economy we're focused on smart hiring and making sure that we're bringing in the right people for the right roles. Making sure not just to check a box or to make sure we're getting people in, but we want them to be happy in that role." Allison Lee, Chief People Officer, Persado   We're Only Human -- Episode 152   When we select candidates, bias enters the process. There's no other way to say it. But increasingly companies are using tools to help them make selection decisions based on data. In Persado's case, the company uses Bryq to help create a clear picture of what each candidate brings to the table so hiring managers can select the best fit candidate for the role, not just one that makes them feel comfortable.  As we hear from Allison Lee, Chief People Officer at Persad

"One of our ramp agents interacted with our CEO during one of his station visits and mentioned that he had taught himself how to code and that he was interested in technology. Our CEO was able to come back and connect him with recruiters and with our career mobility center [to] learn about a new program that we were just standing up. That employee actually moved from a ramp agent into this program, and our CEO was the one to call and make him an offer."  Kelby Tansey, Manager of Recruitment Marketing, Southwest Airlines We're Only Human -- Episode 151 Most companies put at least some thought into how they promote their jobs to candidates outside the company. But what about promoting those jobs within the organization? Research shows that two out of three workers have quit a job because of a lack of growth, but 90% of them would have stayed if they had seen a path ahead! In this episode, Ben talks with Kelby Tansey of Southwest Airlines about how the company makes positions and career choices known to its inte

"One day he challenged me and he said, 'Listen, I want you to help our 477 store directors be great. But listen, I don't want you to go and teach them about engagement. They don't need like a history lesson. But I want you to teach them how to be engaging.' As I've navigated through various organizations, what I realized is that most organizations have the same challenges around manager performance." Kamaria Scott, Manager Enablement Expert at Accenture We're Only Human -- Episode 150   During a recent livestream event, when first-time managers was brought up as a conversation topic, multiple attendees quickly pointed out their own follies and challenges when it came to first time leadership roles.  Yet most companies still don't have a structured way to identify, select, and equip managers to be capable professionals.  In today's conversation with Kamaria Scott from Accenture, Ben and Kamaria talk about: Some of her favorite methods for helping to create more openness around manager performance enablement

"What I've seen over the last six to 12 months is that companies are literally craving this information to understand: are they still competitive? Because they've made so many moves, whether it was with pay or benefits, they want to understand where they stack as it relates to their competition."  Terry Terhark, Founder and CEO, NXTThing RPO We're Only Human -- Episode 149 If you want to be an Olympian, you'd look at what Olympians do and learn from their approach. If you want to achieve that same world-class level of success in hiring, you should look at what world-class organizations are doing in hiring.  NXTThing RPO is a recruitment process outsourcing partner for innovative companies that desire support in their hiring operations. The leader of NXTThing is Terry Terhark, a veritable legend in the RPO industry and a wealth of information about what creates successful hiring outcomes.  In today's discussion, Ben talks with Terry about how hiring is evolving, what's next for the economy, and how cultural al

And so we experimented and said, let's have a trial run at being a manager. We took about 25 people that wanted to be a manager as a cohort.  We said, okay, for a period of six to nine months, we would give you a small team you'd be responsible to learn how to interview and make hiring decisions. Then you get to decide whether or not you want to continue the manager path or not. Pat Wadors, Chief People Officer, UKG We're Only Human -- Episode 148 Managers are an essential part of getting work done. But many times managers and talent leaders end up butting heads, having mismatched expectations, or simply not getting along. In this episode, Chief People Officer Pat Wadors shares her experiences and advice for creating stronger manager relationships and outcomes that benefit not just HR and line managers, but their teams as well. Pat also dive into belonging and what it means in the modern workplace, giving each of us some ideas on how to make it a part of what we do every day.  Links and Show Notes Connect wi

"I guarantee there is a direct correlation between a fantastic culture to business success.  They are always together. I would say that the strong culture is the insurance policy of every business." Ronni Zehavi, CEO, HiBob We're Only Human -- Episode 147 What if we had a way to shield our businesses from unnecessary turnover, disinterested staff, and other similar challenges? It turns out that we do. It's called culture. In some new research, we found that just 52% of HR leaders say their technology supports the employee-focused culture they desire. That's a big gap.  In today's interview with Ronni Zehavi of HiBob, Ben dives deep with Ronni into culture, why it matters, and how HR technology helps to support an employee-focused culture in practical ways. Ronni talks about transparency, teamwork, flexibility, and other tangible examples based on his experience as a business leader.    This episode is sponsored by Workplace from Meta.    Links and Show Notes Learn more about Workplace from Meta at workplace

"When we select leaders, what we have found is leaders may have great, innovative ideas. They may be very driven to achieve. But if they're not inspiring people, if they're not demonstrating those interpersonal qualities that people see them as servant leaders, we've noticed that people are not willing to follow them. So we really emphasize that [serving] is exactly the quality that we want to see in leaders." Ji-Yun Kang, Leadership Assessment and Selection, Mayo Clinic We're Only Human -- Episode 146   All of the data indicate that a leader can make or break someone's experience at work. In this episode of We're Only Human, Ben talks with Ji Yun Kang, head of leadership assessment and selection at Mayo Clinic. Ji-Yun shares the key attributes the organization looks for in its leaders, including the things that push someone into the "no" pile when under consideration.  Ms. Kang also suggests how to evaluate if leaders are actually successful or not, offering examples that help to make this conversation very

"The first thing is 100% look for difference [when mentoring]. If you are only looking for more of the same, you are hurting yourself. Cloning was bad in Star Wars, and cloning is bad in real life. The second one is related: get away from the rock stars and the duds when you are mentoring." Lt. Col. Chaveso "Chevy" Cook, PhD, Executive Director, MilitaryMentors.org   We're Only Human -- Episode 145   Mentoring has been a bigger conversation in the last year as more companies are looking for ways to develop women leaders, move diverse professionals up the ranks, and support the workforce in a more tangible way. But employers often look at just the top 10% and bottom 10%, according to today's guest, missing the chance to connect with the 80% of employees who are typically excluded from mentoring opportunities. In this conversation, Ben speaks with Lt. Col. Chevy Cook about key ideas in successful mentoring based on research and practice. They not only tie in the science of mentoring but also the art of relation

"The more that we could be pushing that on the business side to say beyond revenue and profitability, what is the quality metric? What is the wellbeing metric? Obviously, employee engagement many companies measure. Are we measuring the investments in learning that we're putting out there for our people, even if they are people that end up leaving, if we're improving the future employability of a workforce, surely that's a good business and  society metric." Bhushan Sethi, People & Organization Joint Global Leader, PwC We're Only Human -- Episode 144 In the last 24 months, HR and People leaders have been in the spotlight more than ever before, and this has given birth to opportunities to influence and change the workplace for the better. But how do you know which priorities to set, where to put your focus and effort, and what to do first?  In this episode, Ben talks with Bhushan Sethi, a global people leader from PwC, to understand how he makes these decisions. Using a blend of research and practical perspecti

"I think the danger that we tend to run as people analytics teams is that we're not willing to take slightly bolder stances and say, "Hey, we have a better collective picture of the labor market. We have a better collective picture of what enterprise trends and behaviors are like." We need to give strategic guidance and not just be turning over data products." Zach Frank, Senior Manager of People Analytics, Freeman Company (formerly at Aramark) We're Only Human -- Episode 143 When it comes to analytics and AI usage in the business, we don't always think about HR and people first. However, there are tremendous opportunities to create and deliver value using both of those tools, even for something as personal and human-centric as the work of HR.  Zach Frank believes that, and he's used those principles in his different roles to bring new value for the workforce, managers, and executive leadership through smarter people practices. In this episode, Zach shares with Ben some of the ways that teams can do this well